The full title of this episode of Ben Watson's long-running radio show Late Lunch With Out To Lunch is "Lessons to be Learned from Macdougall and Plant", and it begins with readings from texts by Jim Macdougall (Urban Gorilla, Ape Shit) and John Plant (Diary). The polemic versus lives lived according to expectation accumulates - via Frank Zappa and David Murray - in the finale played by the AMM All-Stars at Cafe Oto on 4th August 2016 (the AMM All-Stars persisted that night of: PETER BAXTER drumset; OUT TO LUNCH mouthnoise, piano; PAUL SHEARSMITH trumpet, hosepipe didjeridoo, pBone; IRIS WATSON Yamaha Digital Keyboard; MORDECAI WATSON accordion; LEN MASSEY Moog synth; NATHAN BETTANY oboe; MARIE THOMPSON reconstructed tape machine; BEN MORAN HEALY dancing; T.H.F. DRENCHING Dictaphone; PAUL SEACROFT lapsteel guitar; JOHN PLANT on Corbyn; ESTHER LESLIE on laughter; DAVE BLACK on Potlatch). As well as the graphic poems "Hands Writ", "Plunge Headlong" and "Design is Desire" (the first two performed with P. Baxter on kitchen percussion), Hop Wilson and Ivory Lee Semien, antique exponents of improvised guitar-drums mayhem, get an airing ... If the kids go "what the f* is that?", it's music, darling.